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    Para vergüenza de la F1, y como ya esperábamos pero no nos queríamos creer, la carrera se suspende a falta de una media hora. Menudo esperpento. Aun esperará Massi que le demos las gracias por suspender la carrera y no tenernos media hora más esperando a ver si los coches tenían oportunidad de correr o no.



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    Mazepin ha sido quien ha marcado la Vuelta Rápida. Me río por no llorar. Porque para terminar el esperpento vergonzoso de hoy, hasta hay celebración de podio.




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    Menudo papelón para los que tienen que estar en el podio sin haber hecho hoy nada. De verdad que menuda vergüenza lo que ha pasado hoy.




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    Penalización de 10 segundos para Stroll por cambiar el alerón trasero antes de la «carrera» . La sanción era salir desde el pit lane pero como salieron todos desde ahí, pues se inventan esta sanción.



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    Pues el lío continúa porque los resultados de la «carrera» son los puestos que ocupaban en la primera vuelta, que es la penúltima vuelta antes de la comunicación de la suspensión de la carrera, cuando para poder repartir puntos deberían de dar al menos dos. Ellos lo justifican con que el líder ha pasado en tres ocasiones por la «línea de control». El colmo ya sería que después de la pantomima vergonzosa que han hecho, les haya faltado una vuelta para poder repartir puntos. De Masi me espero esto y más.



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    Pues el lío continúa porque los resultados de la «carrera» son los puestos que ocupaban en la primera vuelta, que es la penúltima vuelta antes de la comunicación de la suspensión de la carrera, cuando para poder repartir puntos deberían de dar al menos dos. Ellos lo justifican con que el líder ha pasado en tres ocasiones por la «línea de control». El colmo ya sería que después de la pantomima vergonzosa que han hecho, les haya faltado una vuelta para poder repartir puntos. De Masi me espero esto y más.


    A ver GOVAL, hoy han quedado claras algunas cosas de la "nueva F1":
    1. Massi es un pelele inútil que no sabe ni las cosas básicas de reglamento. Hace lo que le mandan otros que ponen la pasta. Quien no quiera ver que él no es el que manda sino el que da la cara por los jefes de arriba,pues eso. No me sorprendería nada que se haya equivocado (más bien, que se hayan equivocado sus también inútiles asesores).
    2. Jamás pensé que llegaría el día en el que diría esto: Whiting, Ecclestone, ...Las momias...Serían malos, capullos, pero tenían al menos CONCEPTO de algunas cosas. Ahora ni eso. Es MUY grave que al final sea todo imagen, y que la gente que manda o está enlos puestos de decisión pida a OTROS que las tomen por él mientras se escurre el bulto.
    3. La nueva normativa tiene agujeros por todas partes: lo de la VR, lo de hoy con tanta lluvia, el coche de Checo resucitado...Y otras cosas...
    4. Si no devuelven el dinero, o les vale la entrada para la del año que viene, quedan como una MAFIA real. Espero que algo hagan al respecto pero tengo mis dudas.
    5. Los pilotos de ahora se arriesgan mucho menos. Pero lo peor es que no hay nadie arriba que tome decisiones resolutivas previéndose cosas con los medios de detección del clima de hoy.
    6. Si se depende siempre de las TV o internet en el futuro, habrá que dejar los horarios y opciones de suspensión más "abiertos". Como me ha dicho un amigo hace un rato. La gente que habrá pagado por ver lo de "hoy", y muchos que ven la F1, se sentirán decepcionados con este nuevo circo. Pese a que tenían el gran reclamo de la carrera anterior, la han cagado pero bien en ésta.

    En serio, si Massi sigue, es que al mando de la F1 no hay nadie con cabeza. Solo intereses de money y nada más. Y el money solo no hace un gran espectáculo. Lo de hoy pasará como uno de los ridículos más grandes de la Historia de la F1. Si no el mayor. Es triste. NO ha habido carrera, solamente un "teatro" de carrera para salvar los muebles. Y con la que está cayendo, sinceramente, tras un GP de Hungría excepcional, se han cargado un % importante de interés de la temporada...No toda porque la cosa está cool, pero es un cachondeo lo de hoy. Inútiles...

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    Comunicado de la FIA. Siguen llamando a lo de hoy «carrera» cuando todos hemos visto lo que dice Mummu, un teatro.



    Following the significant weather disruption to the 2021 FIA Formula 1 Belgian Grand Prix, the FIA and Formula 1 are disappointed for all the fans at the track and at home that today’s race could not go to full but the safety of the drivers, marshals and spectators must always be the priority. The Decision of the Stewards to extend the window in which the race could take place gave every possible opportunity to maximise the day's running, but the weather conditions unfortunately did not improve sufficiently to complete more laps.

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    En las entrevistas antes del podio, Hamilton dijo que esperaba que le devolvieran el dinero al público. En su Instagram sigue insistiendo en ello. A ver si le hacen el mismo caso que cuando pide hacer teatrillos antes de la salida. Claro que eso les da publicidad y lo otro les hace perder dinero.




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    En las entrevistas antes del podio, Hamilton dijo que esperaba que le devolvieran el dinero al público. En su Instagram sigue insistiendo en ello. A ver si le hacen el mismo caso que cuando pide hacer teatrillos antes de la salida. Claro que eso les da publicidad y lo otro les hace perder dinero.



    Hamilton nunca será "santo de mi devoción", pero eso no quita que de vez en cuando diga cosas que son sensatas (otras como lo del pasado GP, pues no).
    Si no se les devuelve el dinero, que tengan la entrada para otro GP de la temporada en curso o para Spa del año que viene. Cualquier otra cosa, después de ver la INCOMPETENCIA de los de hoy, y que el reglamento es según les vaya bien a los de arriba o no (queda claríiisimo tras lo de hoy), pues se cargan la afición a esto.

    Yo les haría pasar una prueba de conocimiento de reglamento a los de arriba. Que eso del dedazo está muy bien, pero como no sepan nada y se líe gorda, pues telita...

    3 horas y pico para ver lo de hoy, me he ido cabreadísimo del chat. Y si no hubiera sido por los compis de aquí divertidos, pues hubiera sido una pérdida de tiempo total. El chatear con amigos y sentido del humor similar siempre es agradecido. La pena es que no tengamos audio, jajajaja...

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    Ferrari cambió los neumáticos de Leclerc cuando se retrasó la salida GP de Bélgica, cosa que no está permitida. Como se dieron cuenta y volvieron a montarle los neumáticos del inicio, pues aquí no ha pasado nada. ¡Circulen!





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    Tras aplicar la sanción de Stroll estos son los resultados oficiales de la no-carrera de SPA. Por cierto, no entiendo que hayan sancionado a Stroll pero no a Checo.

    «Carrera» de 1 vuelta, 6.880 km. No hay vuelta rápida al final. Creo es es porque las vueltas rápidas detrás del coche de seguridad no cuentan. Habría estado bien que se la hubiese llevado Verstappen. Habría sido la guinda a este desaguisado.




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    3 horas y pico para ver lo de hoy, me he ido cabreadísimo del chat. Y si no hubiera sido por los compis de aquí divertidos, pues hubiera sido una pérdida de tiempo total. El chatear con amigos y sentido del humor similar siempre es agradecido. La pena es que no tengamos audio, jajajaja...

    El chat ha sido lo único bueno de hoy. Al menos nos hemos podido desahogar del cabreo por las pifias del «Masinutil».

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    Los no números del no G.P de Bélgica:




































    Buscando la imperfección perfecta...

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    2021 BÉLGICA - PDFs


    Seguimos porrocesando ... ...
    Buscando la imperfección perfecta...

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    Aviso:

    Puesto que tras el emocionante GP de Bélgica de este año, y con la ingente cantidad de datos de valor CERO existentes, NO habrá la habitual sesión de gráficas de carrera, ya que muchas de las fórmulas usadas devuelven un ERROR, División por cero.
    Buscando la imperfección perfecta...

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    Vettel diciendo por radio que lo ocurrido es cuestión de pasta.



    https://twitter.com/LoreHdz/status/1...622047234?s=20

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    Aviso:

    Puesto que tras el emocionante GP de Bélgica de este año, y con la ingente cantidad de datos de valor CERO existentes, NO habrá la habitual sesión de gráficas de carrera, ya que muchas de las fórmulas usadas devuelven un ERROR, División por cero.

    Otra estafa más. Hasta la McHFia nos trollea y nos deja sin las rayicas.




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    CEO Stefano Domenicali has denied that commercial considerations were behind the decision to ensure that the Belgian GP was officially deemed a race.


    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1...an-gp/6656999/

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    Hamilton aprovecha para ir al baño y cuenta por radio las condiciones en las que se lo encuentra.
    '@LewisHamilton: "I'm glad I went to the toilet. The one I went to, someone had dropped a crazy bomb in there. The worst thing ever. It's going to haunt me for life..." Apparently it was a French TV cameraman
    De lo mejor de la tarde , descubrir que a Hamilton no le gustan esas "baguettes tostadas" que dejó el cámara francés (supuestamente).

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    Checo agradeciendo a sus mecánicos que dejen el coche a punto para cuando empiece el paripé que quieren hacer de dar un par de vueltas detrás del coche de seguridad y poder decir que la carrera se ha celebrado.
    Ya lo vimos claro en el foro, fijaros en la hora del post .
    Al final, no es ningún descubrimiento la inutilidad patente del Masinútil al cargo.
    Sin embargo, la cara de Jo Bauer, era de risa, le llaman de control de carrera para preguntarle su opinión, y él lo dejó claro, ¿la lluvia está fuera de reglamento?, no, pues entonces no es asunto mio. (sabe más el diablo por viejo que por diablo, aunque este además también se las sabe todas.)

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    ¿Que no me gusta el reglamento que estoy aplicando? Pues me paso a otro.
    Probable que Masinútil hasta buscara en el reglamento marítimo internacional , a ver si sale algo...

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    Dirección de carrera confirma que han parado el reloj para intentar que haya una carrera de una hora. Toto le preguntó a Masi si sabían ya cuándo iba a empezar la carrera porque las personas que están en el muro tenían frío y querían saber si se podían marchar de ahí o no. Masi les dice que se marchen, que él está buscando un hueco meteorológico.
    Buscando un hueco meteorológico... , a la altura del previo "se lo que hay que hacer, seguro, pero voy a preguntar"
    Este Masinútil no encuentra... ni hueco para aparcar .


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    El único que de verdad trabajó ayer en Spá-Francorchamps.
    En algunas vueltas hasta se animó e hizo drifting


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    Pues el lío continúa porque los resultados de la «carrera» son los puestos que ocupaban en la primera vuelta, que es la penúltima vuelta antes de la comunicación de la suspensión de la carrera, cuando para poder repartir puntos deberían de dar al menos dos. Ellos lo justifican con que el líder ha pasado en tres ocasiones por la «línea de control». El colmo ya sería que después de la pantomima vergonzosa que han hecho, les haya faltado una vuelta para poder repartir puntos. De Masi me espero esto y más.


    Es que hasta para eso es inútil el Masinútil, era tan difícil dar otra vuelta tras el SC para no dar lugar a equívocos...

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    Hamilton nunca será "santo de mi devoción", pero eso no quita que de vez en cuando diga cosas que son sensatas (otras como lo del pasado GP, pues no).
    Si no se les devuelve el dinero, que tengan la entrada para otro GP de la temporada en curso o para Spa del año que viene. Cualquier otra cosa, después de ver la INCOMPETENCIA de los de hoy, y que el reglamento es según les vaya bien a los de arriba o no (queda claríiisimo tras lo de hoy), pues se cargan la afición a esto.

    Yo les haría pasar una prueba de conocimiento de reglamento a los de arriba. Que eso del dedazo está muy bien, pero como no sepan nada y se líe gorda, pues telita...

    3 horas y pico para ver lo de hoy, me he ido cabreadísimo del chat. Y si no hubiera sido por los compis de aquí divertidos, pues hubiera sido una pérdida de tiempo total. El chatear con amigos y sentido del humor similar siempre es agradecido. La pena es que no tengamos audio, jajajaja...
    ... INOCEEEEENTEEEEE....

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    Tras aplicar la sanción de Stroll estos son los resultados oficiales de la no-carrera de SPA. Por cierto, no entiendo que hayan sancionado a Stroll pero no a Checo.

    «Carrera» de 1 vuelta, 6.880 km. No hay vuelta rápida al final. Creo es es porque las vueltas rápidas detrás del coche de seguridad no cuentan. Habría estado bien que se la hubiese llevado Verstappen. Habría sido la guinda a este desaguisado.
    A checo no se le sancionó porque utilizó recambios de las mismas espicificaciones con las que se estampó en la vuelta de instalación.
    A Stroll le pusieron un alerón trasero con más carga que el que tenía en el parque cerrado pre carrera.

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    El chat ha sido lo único bueno de hoy. Al menos nos hemos podido desahogar del cabreo por las pifias del «Masinutil».
    Sea como sea el "evento" en cuestión, el chat es de las mejores cosas de tal evento .
    Habitualmente, al menos yo, "me partro la caja"
    Buscando la imperfección perfecta...

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    Y siguen diciendo que no fue cosa de dinero.



    Spa Grand Prix Director, Vanessa Maes: "I will reflect and discuss with Formula One Management on how we could offer compensation to our spectators".


    Fuente: dhnet.be

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    Comparación de la vuelta de Russell y Verstappen en Q3.




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    El mejor timelapse de f1visualized. ¡Si parpadeais, os lo perdéis!



    https://twitter.com/f1visualized/sta...860393986?s=20

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    Notas de los equipos después de la “Carrera”:

    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - Haas

    Uralkali Haas F1 Team drivers Mick Schumacher and Nikita Mazepin classified 16th and 17th, respectively, at the Belgian Grand Prix - Round 12 of the 2021 FIA Formula 1 World Championship, held at the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps on Sunday.


    Persistent heavy rain fell throughout the course of the day in Belgium causing the formation lap to be delayed by 25 minutes. Race Control permitted two formation laps but swiftly deemed that it was not safe to race. A delay of almost three hours followed before a reduced distance 39-lap race began behind the Safety Car, with both Mazepin and Schumacher equipped with Pirelli Cinturato Blue wet tires.


    However, after just three laps behind the Safety Car, Race Control brought a halt to proceedings, and the race did not restart, with the rain continuing to batter a foggy Spa-Francorchamps. As two laps were completed it was sufficient for a race classification to be issued, with Schumacher 16th and Mazepin 17th. Mazepin notionally ended with the race's fastest lap.


    Up front Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing) was declared the victor, his sixth win of the season, ahead of George Russell (Williams) and Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes).


    Nikita Mazepin: "It could have gone many different ways today. When there's so much water on the track, the visibility - at least from where I was starting, it was very difficult to see. We weren't going that fast behind the Safety Car, but you just weren't sure where the car in front of you was, I just had to try and always keep my distance before the rain settled in the air. It wasn't the best day for us, but I can imagine for the fans it was even more difficult. I could see that some of them didn't even have umbrellas. With the amount of water falling today they must be soaking wet - but thanks to all who stayed. I had a race end prematurely in Hungary, our race today had a premature end, but at least we're on a triple-header stint this time with Zandvoort and Monza coming our way. I'm hoping for good races."


    Mick Schumacher: "It was very frustrating on the one hand, the fact we have been looking forward to the race so much and then not being able to race, but on the other hand, the fans have been out there for so long waiting for the race to go on. They must have been freezing but they stayed out, so thank you very much and sorry that we didn't manage to show what we had to show. Visibility was the main concern as we couldn't see a thing. We'll have more opportunities coming our way in the future."


    Guenther Steiner: "A long afternoon for everybody but the weather just didn't work out and it's a tough decision to make, not to race. Thanks to all the fans - they are the real heroes of this race - to hang in there and wait for us to get out but the weather didn't come our way. Thankfully we have a race next weekend, so we've not got long to wait."
    https://www.pitpass.com/70570/Belgia...eam-notes-Haas


    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - Aston Martin

    Sebastian Vettel: "I think it is a frustrating day for all of us and an anti-climax, especially for the fans, who were outside in the wet and the cold all day waiting to see a race. I feel sorry we could not give them the entertainment they deserved to see. The rain just never stopped and, when we did go out, the spray was very bad with low visibility. The FIA had to make some tough decisions today. It is not easy for them, but safety has to be the priority, and even though their decisions may not have been popular they were probably the right ones."


    Lance Stroll: "It is a real shame for the fans today. I am sorry they waited all afternoon for a race that ended in the sad way it did. We cannot control the weather and safety must come first. It is a tough decision for the FIA and Formula One to make, but it was the right one. Visibility out on track was really bad. It is not a nice feeling to be on sections like the Kemmel Straight, where it is so fast, and you cannot see in front of you because of the spray. I would have loved to try and fight my way back up the grid today; I felt confident we could make good progress, but it is over now and we will focus on next weekend's race at Zandvoort."


    Otmar Szafnauer, CEO & Team Principal: "First of all, on behalf of everyone at Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team, I want to say how sorry I am for the fans, who braved the weather in the hope of watching an exciting 44-lap race on the magnificent Spa-Francorchamps circuit but ended up enduring a damp squib - literally. However, the safety of the drivers, marshals, photographers and camera operators is of course paramount, and the FIA had no choice other than to make the difficult decision they did. We scored five world championship points as a result of Sebastian's fifth place, which would usually have netted us 10 world championship points had the race not been shortened and the half-points rule therefore applied. Lance had no opportunity to fight his way through the field - which, had the race been run normally, I am sure he would have been able to do with his usual wet-race panache. All in all, the 2021 Belgian Grand Prix will be remembered as a very disappointing event - or non-event - but we are now looking forward to the Dutch Grand Prix next weekend. Bring it on!"


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    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - AlphaTauri

    Pierre Gasly: "It's been a long day and I'm very disappointed that we didn't get to race. I think we all feel very sorry for the fans that have stayed with us in the rain all day, without any racing, and I would like to thank them all for staying until the end. However, the conditions were very extreme, I don't think I've driven in conditions worse than this before. I think that the problem was that if anyone spun in the first lap, there was absolutely no visibility and there would've been a big accident. We know how dangerous it can be to race here, so this was absolutely the correct decision."


    Yuki Tsunoda: "It was clearly not possible to race today, especially for any drivers from P7 onwards, I think the visibility was just too poor. It would've been far too dangerous to race in these conditions here today, particularly on such a high-speed track like Spa, so for safety I think the FIA made the right decision today. Obviously, it's disappointing on a personal note to not have had the opportunity to race for points today, but safety is far more important."


    Franz Tost (Team Principal): "First of all, I'm very sorry for all the fans that have come here to see an exciting race and then, because of the bad circumstances, we weren't able to offer them anything. I really hope that they understand that today it was simply not possible to race with a Formula 1 car.

    "The team were quite well prepared ahead of the race, and I was convinced that in the dry we could have shown a very strong performance with both cars, as the set-up on the aero side was optimised for this. Pierre was starting in sixth position and has looked strong all weekend. Yuki was in 16th position and I think he would've had the opportunity to finish in the points. Heavy rain prevented the start of the race and I must say that the stewards and race control made the correct decision, as it would have been far too risky to start this race properly. After the second car, no one could see anything, so if for example a car had spun at one of the fast corners then it would've resulted in a heavy crash. Safety is the priority, so Michael Masi and the stewards made the right decision today."
    https://www.pitpass.com/70572/Belgia...tes-AlphaTauri


    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - Alpine

    Alpine F1 Team scored three points at today's rain interrupted Belgian Grand Prix with Esteban Ocon taking seventh place after only three laps were completed under Safety Car conditions. Fernando finished in eleventh and just outside the points scoring positions.


    After yesterday's wet qualifying session, Esteban was due to start the race in eighth and Fernando in twelfth, but, both drivers inherited a position after Sergio Perez's crash on the lap to the grid.


    With persistent rain falling in Spa, the first formation laps under the Safety Car began at 15:25 local time after an initial delay to proceedings. Conditions were deemed unsafe with the race red-flagged. With a break in the weather, the race restarted at 18:17, again under the Safety Car, before the second and final red flag brought the Grand Prix to a close with half points awarded as a result of three laps being completed.


    Esteban Ocon: "Firstly, I feel sorry for all the fans out there at the track today. Thank you to them for their patience and their enthusiasm at waiting all afternoon to see some action. Unfortunately, it just wasn't possible today with the rain, and safety has to be the priority. The correct decision was made to stop the race, so credit to the FIA and Michael Masi for trying their best and making the right call in the end. The conditions were really tough out there, especially the lack of visibility. We pick up three points today, and now we look ahead to Zandvoort where hopefully the weather will be better."


    Fernando Alonso: "It was the correct decision to stop the race given the conditions.

    But I think it's strange that points are scored for this weekend. It was only ever a red flag situation out on track and we only drove laps under the Safety Car, so it wasn't a race. Everyone involved tried their best, so it's nobody's fault, but it's a shame. Despite all of this the spectators were amazing all weekend and it was good to see them back no matter the weather."


    Marcin Budkowski, Executive Director: "It was a shame we weren't able to race today, especially at such a great circuit. The FIA and Formula 1 tried everything to get the race underway, but the rain just wouldn't stop. Safety has to take precedent in these situations and our drivers confirmed over the radio during the laps under the Safety Car that it wasn't safe to race, especially because of the lack of visibility. The correct decision was made to abort the race. Credit to the fans who remained at the circuit in the grandstands all afternoon and thanks for their fantastic support all weekend. We move onto Zandvoort hungry to resume racing and we look forward to trying out an exciting new track."


    https://www.pitpass.com/70573/Belgia...m-notes-Alpine


    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - Ferrari

    The 2021 Belgian Grand Prix only lasted three laps. The rain which had already made its presence felt yesterday, wiped out the effective running of the race. After a 25 minute delay on the original start time, the cars did a couple of laps behind the Safety Car. Then the start procedure was red flagged because of the track conditions and very bad visibility, which meant all the cars returned to pit lane. At 18.17, after a long wait, the Race Director decided to resume the start procedure, again behind the Safety Car but after just three laps, the conditions were again deemed too dangerous to race, the cars again re-entered the pit lane and the Grand Prix was finally declared as stopped.


    As the race ran for more than two laps but less than 75% of the official race distance, the top ten finishers are awarded half points. As Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz started from eighth and tenth on the grid respectively, Scuderia Ferrari leaves Belgium with two and a half points.


    During the long wait, Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz came out of the garage to wave to the spectators who remained trackside despite the incessant rain. The three laps of this bizarre race are in a way a tribute to the passion of the fans. It's a shame for the spectators at the track and others watching from elsewhere, that it was impossible to put on a show at one of the most wonderful race tracks on the calendar, but the safety of the drivers and everyone else involved must always be the number one priority.
    Those fans have only a few days to wait until the Formula 1 cars are back on track, as the Dutch Grand Prix takes place next Sunday at the Zandvoort circuit. It marks the return of this race to the calendar for the first time in 36 years.


    Charles Leclerc: It's a strange end to the weekend, not having had a proper race. Most of all, it's a shame for all the fans who came out to see us race. I'd like to thank everyone who stayed in the grandstands hoping that the conditions will improve. It surely wasn't easy and I have massive respect for every single person who stayed here with us.


    The track conditions weren't that bad in terms of standing water, but in terms of visibility, it was a disaster. I couldn't see anything ahead and it was a good call to make sure we are all safe given the gravity of the rain today.


    Our next race is in the Netherlands in just a few days. A nice challenge, given that we will all have to adjust and try to find the best possible set-up for this new track in the shortest amount of time. I think one of our general weaknesses is the wet, so we will work on improving that over the next few weeks.


    Carlos Sainz: Obviously, it's a great shame that we were unable to put on a bit of a show for the courageous fans who braved the terrible weather to come and watch and for the people at home. Unfortunately, there was nothing we could do, as the visibility was too poor for us to race. For me, it's also a shame because we could've tried to make up some places from my grid position, but safety must always be the priority. Now it's time to turn the page and luckily on Friday we will already be back on track at Zandvoort. Looking forward to my first race there in Formula 1.


    Mattia Binotto: First of all, I'd like to thank all the spectators who stayed to the very end at the track, hoping to see what should have been an uncertain and spectacular race. The Race Director did everything he could to try and get the Grand Prix underway, but conditions were never good enough to do so without jeopardising the safety of the drivers and those working trackside. The final result was thus determined from the starting grid positions, which means we come away with two points finishes.


    Up until yesterday, our weekend had not gone particularly well, but it's a shame that we never got to see how things might have gone in a race where anything could have happened. Now we must concentrate on the next race in Zandvoort, a historic circuit which makes its return to the championship calendar after a very long absence.


    https://www.pitpass.com/70574/Belgia...-notes-Ferrari


    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - Red Bull

    Max Verstappen: "It is always good to win and the points are important but today is not how anyone wants to do it, especially on our 50th start with Honda. In hindsight it was very important to get pole yesterday and although it's a big shame not to do some proper racing laps, as I really love coming to this track, it was just impossible in these conditions. I thought maybe at 15:30 the conditions were a bit better than just now when we tried to re-start but the visibility was still very low and I understand why we couldn't race today. For me in the lead the visibility was a lot better, even with the Safety Car ahead, but the guys behind me couldn't see a single thing and if someone went off at Eau Rouge and bounced back onto the track they could have been T-boned at high speed which we do not want. It was also extremely low grip and because it kept raining all afternoon it just didn't improve. I think today the big credit goes to the fans around the track who stayed here the whole day in the rain, wind and cold. It must have been horrible to sit in those conditions so a big thanks goes to them and they should be the real winners from today. Now we have to keep on pushing and trying to re-gain the championship lead. I'm confident we have a good car and there is a long way to go so we just need to make sure we get the best performance out of it for the rest of the season."


    Sergio Perez: "It was a strange afternoon and I have to say thank you to the fans, they were incredible for staying with us in the rain and cold. It's a shame we couldn't put on a good race for them today but we as a sport tried our best to race but it just wasn't possible. The lap to grid was my mistake, the conditions and visibility were extremely poor and I just went on the kerb and lost it. I always knew there was a small chance we could get the car back out and the Team was pushing hard, really showing the spirit of Red Bull Racing which was nice to see. My Team did what they do best and they repaired the car so quickly it was incredible. I really wanted to repay them for their hard work during the race but that didn't happen, luckily we are racing again in a few days and we all look forward to Zandvoort now!"


    Christian Horner: "It's frustrating for the teams, drivers and especially the fans that we could not race today, but unfortunately the conditions meant that no matter how long we waited it was not safe to do so. Everybody did their best to try and put a race on and credit must go to the FIA and Liberty who did everything within their power and waited until it became impossible. Ultimately, Max's great work in very difficult qualifying conditions yesterday earned him the win and the maximum half points on offer which importantly enabled us to close the gap in both championships. Following Checo's unfortunate trip into the barrier on the initial out lap it was incredible to see our mechanics in action under pressure once again, fixing his car in the time they did, giving him every opportunity to race should we have been able to get out from behind the Safety Car. It was a massive job as both sides of the suspension and the steering rack were damaged but it was very rewarding to see the teamwork with both sides of the garage working together to get it fixed. We are all feeling a little cold and wet but huge credit has to go to the fans who continued to pack the grandstands today. We truly appreciate the loyalty and I'm just sorry that we couldn't deliver the track action they came for, but hopefully everyone will tune in for next weekend's Dutch Grand Prix so we can provide a great weekend of racing."


    https://www.pitpass.com/70576/Belgia...notes-Red-Bull


    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - Mercedes

    With heavy rain falling continuously, the start of the race was incrementally delayed. After two formation laps behind the Safety Car on Wets, the red flag was brought out and start procedure suspended.


    The three-hour window for the race was temporarily stopped at 17:00pm local time, before a further delay of over an hour.


    The race officially resumed at 18:17pm, with cars exiting the pit lane and the clock starting to tick down with one hour remaining.


    The cars completed two racing laps behind the Safety Car, signalling the start of the race, before it was red flagged and suspended again. This was enough for half points and a race classification to be awarded. At 18:44pm, the race was called off, with Lewis classified P3 and Valtteri P12.


    Today's result marks the 10th podium for Lewis and 15th for the Mercedes F1 Team at the Belgian Grand Prix. Lewis (202.5 points) leads the Drivers' Championship by three points from Max Verstappen (199.5 points) with Valtteri (108 points) in P4. Mercedes (310.5 points) lead Red Bull (303 points) by 7.5 points in the Constructors' Championship.


    Lewis Hamilton: Firstly, I'm really disappointed for the fans. It's no one's fault, you can't control the weather, but the fans have been incredible today, sticking with us the whole time, holding out for a potential race, keeping their energy up and creating the atmosphere. They were robbed of a race today, unfortunately. I love racing in the rain, but today was something else. You couldn't see the car ahead, there was aquaplaning, it was so, so tricky out there. It's a shame because of course I wanted to race and I love this track as well. I think it would have been a great race if it hadn't rained so hard, but unfortunately it just didn't stop.


    Valtteri Bottas: It's a huge shame, of course, that we couldn't race and there were many committed fans out there, waiting for us to get started but we couldn't. They were still smiling throughout and in good spirits, so hats off to them. And obviously for me, with the penalty I had and the bad qualifying, being outside the top 10 on the grid meant I couldn't fight for any points. There was a fair amount of standing water but the main thing was the visibility, particularly on the straights. It was really poor and would have been too dangerous. Thankfully there isn't long to wait for the next race, Zandvoort is a new track on the calendar, I have raced there before in Formula 3 back in the day, so I'm looking forward to that.


    Toto Wolff: I really want to take my hat off to all the fans who were here with us over the weekend, in the wet and the cold. And particularly during this afternoon, spending hours waiting for the race to start. It's great to see their enthusiasm and passion, it's just what the sport needs. We are all racers and we want to race, but today it just wasn't possible. It would have been too dangerous to let the drivers race because of a total lack of visibility. In terms of the race result, of course we are not happy that points have been awarded for what was a few laps behind the Safety Car but if the regulations allow that, you have to take it on the chin and move on. Now, we are looking forward to Zandvoort, to hopefully score some big points and continue this fight for the Championship.


    Andrew Shovlin: Obviously, we're all feeling frustrated to come here and not get to race, and I'm sure the fans feel that frustration even more. It's also not a good feeling, losing ground in both Championships. But ultimately, the conditions were not safe to race in. There was a lot of standing water and visibility was very poor. The decisions in Race Control are difficult ones on days like today, but there was no break in the rain, so it was correct not to continue with the race. We'll quickly switch our focus to Zandvoort and hopefully the weather will be better there!


    https://www.pitpass.com/70575/Belgia...notes-Mercedes


    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - Williams

    George Russell finished second and Nicholas Latifi ninth in a rain-affected Belgium Grand Prix. Owing to the inclement weather conditions, running was restricted to only a handful of laps behind the Safety Car. An official race classification was called following the second red flag of the race and a three-hour delay, with half points awarded.
    Despite coming in unusual circumstances, it marks the team's first podium since the 2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix and first runner-up finish since the 2014 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.


    Dave Robson, Head of Vehicle Performance: Unfortunately, the conditions were just too bad today and we couldn't complete any racing. It is a real shame for everyone involved and all those that came to watch. Of course, for us it means that we secure a great race result off the back of an excellent day yesterday and a lot of hard work over the last couple of years.


    We now travel to Holland to take on the challenge of Zandvoort. It is effectively a new track for us and will represent a whole new challenge, which we are looking forward to tackling with renewed confidence.


    George Russell: The conditions were incredibly difficult out there and even in second with only one car in front, sometimes I couldn't even see Max (Verstappen) ahead. I'm really sorry for everyone at the track and those watching around the world that we couldn't race but safety has to come first.


    It's a strange feeling as I've never had a race finish like this in my career, but a podium is a podium and we will take it no matter what. We were rewarded for the amazing job we did as a team yesterday. Obviously if the race had gone ahead today it would have been incredibly difficult for us to hold our position, but you've got to take it as it comes. It was only last race in Hungary that I scored my first points for Williams and here we are standing on the podium at the Belgian Grand Prix! It is a reward for all of the hard work everyone in the team has put in over these past three years.


    Nicholas Latifi: This definitely isn't the way I would have liked to finish the weekend; I know we all would have liked to get out there and go racing, but unfortunately the conditions made it too dangerous. It's really unfortunate for the fans and I really feel for them having sat out in the cold the whole day, so thank you to everybody who stuck it out. From the team's perspective, it's more points and a podium which should help solidify our position in the championship, so that's a big positive to take away from the day.
    https://www.pitpass.com/70577/Belgia...notes-Williams
    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - McLaren

    Daniel Ricciardo: "Crazy, crazy day, crazy circumstances. It's lucky we don't get these situations very often but it is what it is. Sorry to the fans and everyone that stayed out here all day to watch us race, they were awesome. We were really hoping to get a race and obviously it didn't happen, but it's no-one's fault, it's just the situation and circumstances today. We've got two races on consecutive weekends now so hopefully that makes up for it. It made quali more important, so I'm happy I managed to earn a good position yesterday."


    Lando Norris: "It was just too wet to race. The fans were amazing, sticking with us all day and i'm disappointed they didn't get to see much action or any racing, but it was the correct decision not to go ahead. I would have loved the opportunity to make up for yesterday, do some racing, do some overtaking and put on a good show. The team in the garage did an amazing job getting the car ready for the race and it's a shame we couldn't make the most of their hard work, so I'm annoyed that yesterday's crash hurt us a lot more than it should have done, but that's the way it is and we move on to the next one."


    Andreas Seidl, Team Principal: "What a very strange day! Firstly, the spectators have our commiserations. They endured many fruitless hours in the grandstands out around the track, and stuck it out to the bitter end, cheering on the teams and drivers. We're very sorry F1 could not put on a real race today but the right decision was made. It was simply not possible to start safely.


    "Daniel and his team got their reward for a lot of hard work that went into a very good qualifying effort yesterday. P4 is his best result for McLaren so far. Special thanks also to Lando's crew who did a brilliant job to repair his car after that big impact yesterday.


    "We leave Spa-Francorchamps back up to P3 in the Constructors' Championship. In that sense, this has been a positive weekend. We're looking forward to the Dutch Grand Prix now and hopefully better conditions in which we can give F1's fans a great race weekend on the new Zandvoort circuit."


    https://www.pitpass.com/70578/Belgia...-notes-McLaren


    Belgian GP: Sunday team notes - Pirelli

    The Belgian Grand Prix was run over just three laps due to bad weather - making it the shortest race in Formula 1 history - with half-points awarded. Red Bull's Max Verstappen was declared the winner, ahead of Williams driver George Russell and Mercedes driver Lewis Hamilton.


    The race was delayed for more than three hours following the initial start procedure, with all the drivers on the Cinturato Blue wet tyre for the re-start from the pitlane. After the cars followed the safety car for a three laps, in heavy rain with ambient temperatures of 14 degrees and track temperatures of 15 degrees, the red flag was shown, with the race subsequently ended.


    The wet weather tyres were used for the bulk of the weekend, with the free practice and qualifying sessions also wet. Throughout Friday and Saturday, the Cinturato Green intermediate showed strong performance with solid resistance to aquaplaning.


    Mario Isola: "With the rain not improving, it unfortunately wasn't possible to have a green flag race. The main problem was the lack of visibility. With the full wet tyres evacuating around 85 litres of water per second at 300kph, all that water has to go somewhere. The result is the spray that everyone watching could see behind the safety car, making it impossible for the drivers to see - which is obviously a dangerous situation. On a track with plenty of elevation like this one, there is also a risk of pools of water forming in certain places, which adds to the risk of aquaplaning. We'll be back racing in less than a week's time at the Dutch Grand Prix, hopefully with better weather."


    https://www.pitpass.com/70569/Belgia...-notes-Pirelli
    Alonso carried his Renault to third place in Singapore. After Vettel and Rosberg wrecked their own races, he seized a podium from a car that did not deserve it.

    That is the difference between the great and the merely good.

    Martin Brundle (Sing '09)

    "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easyto love, but very easy to admire".

    Martin Brundle (Sing '10)

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    Alonso carried his Renault to third place in Singapore. After Vettel and Rosberg wrecked their own races, he seized a podium from a car that did not deserve it.

    That is the difference between the great and the merely good.

    Martin Brundle (Sing '09)

    "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easyto love, but very easy to admire".

    Martin Brundle (Sing '10)

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    Comparación de la vuelta de Russell y Verstappen en Q3.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVSql5GrVFM


    En este hilo se analiza ese vídeo.



    David Izquierdo

    Hilo comparando el pilotaje de los dos en su vuelta de Q3, viendo cómo distintas trazadas en lluvia afectan al tiempo de minisector.

    https://twitter.com/davidizki/status...65255825870852

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    Ya estaba tardando en salir.



    Apareció Ecclestone y criticó la "carrera" de Spa


    31/08/2021








    "Esta vez estoy de acuerdo con Hamilton" [le ha faltado decir "y que no sirva de precedente" ], manifestó Bernie Ecclestone, otrora "patrón" de la F1, al opinar sobre el GP de Bélgica.

    Bernie Ecclestone, quien fuera el "Gran Jefe" de la Fórmula 1 durante cuatro décadas, se refirió a la fallida carrera en el circuito de Spa-Francorchamps y sobre las polémicas resoluciones que se tomaron para dar por cumplido el Gran Premio de Bélgica, el pasado domingo.

    "Hemos corrido en peores condiciones y no hemos cancelado la carrera", expresó Ecclestone, quien fuera dueño del equipo Brabham y fundador de la Federación de Constructores de Fórmula Uno (FOCA en inglés).


    Como pocas veces, el británico coincidió en criticar la medida en Spa con su compatriota, el campeón del mundo Lewis Hamilton, quien declaró su malestar por la decisión y dijo que "todo fue una farsa". "Pocas veces estoy de acuerdo con Lewis, pero en esto tiene razón", indicó.

    De acuerdo a su opinión, Ecclestone les dio un "consejo" a quienes hoy gestionan la categoría: "A las 15 horas, cuando la carrera tenía que comenzar, habría dicho: 'lo intentaremos de nuevo a las 16 o 16.30. No parece que las condiciones puedan mejorar, pero independientemente de lo que suceda, vamos a correr".

    "Si quieres correr, bien; si no, también está bien. No se el puede poner una pistola en la cabeza a nadie. Depende de los pilotos, del riesgo que puedas afrontar. La gente toma sus propias decisiones. No es Afganistan"
    , certificó Ecclestone sobre las decisiones que cada piloto y equipo pudiera tomar en una situación como la que ocurrió en Spa-Francorchamps.


    http://campeones.com.ar/articulo/47202

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    Por cierto, echo de menos a yorch. ¿Ande andará? Igual está buscando la carrera por ahí para descargársela.

    ¡No te molestes, yorch! ¡Disfruta de las casi 4 horas que perdimos los demás el domingo!



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    Igual está buscando la carrera por ahí para descargársela.
    Riete pero eso paso exactamente, vine tarde de la playa y en racingforme, donde consigo las carreras, aun no habian colgado nada. Esperé hasta que ya me dió por mirar y vi lo que habia pasado, me quedé con las ganas, como todos/as, pero al menos no me comí el directo.

    Lo mejor del finde la vuelta de Russell, francamente, la clasi en general estuvo muy entretenida quitando el josti*n de Lando.

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    Riete pero eso paso exactamente, vine tarde de la playa y en racingforme, donde consigo las carreras, aun no habian colgado nada. Esperé hasta que ya me dió por mirar y vi lo que habia pasado, me quedé con las ganas, como todos/as, pero al menos no me comí el directo.

    Lo mejor del finde la vuelta de Russell, francamente, la clasi en general estuvo muy entretenida quitando el josti*n de Lando.

    No me extraña que no subieran la carrera los de racingforme, les daría vergüenza. Menos mal que pudimos disfrutar de una grandísima sesión de calificación. Siempre hay que ver el vaso medio lleno.


    Ante tanta crítica, la FOM se ha puesto a estudiar cómo van a intentar quedar bien con el público que estaba en el circuito. Igual les regalan ¡otro perrito piloto!!!!




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