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    Portugal GP: Practice team notes - Pirelli

    Valtteri Bottas set the fastest time of the day in FP1 at the Portimao circuit on the P Zero Red soft tyre this morning, while his Mercedes team mate Lewis Hamilton topped FP2 on the same compound. In both sessions, the Red Bull of Max Verstappen was second-quickest, while Ferrari was fourth-fastest in both practice sessions.

    The afternoon session was somewhat warmer than the morning, with track temperatures peaking at 39 degrees centigrade and ambient temperatures in the region of 20 degrees centigrade. There was also some wind in the afternoon, which occasionally affected the aerodynamic performance of the cars. The FP2 session was delayed by 10 minutes due to safety checks on drain covers, but ran for the full allocated hour.


    In the morning, the majority of the drivers ran the P Zero White hard tyre before switching to the soft tyre at the end of the session. In the afternoon, most of the field started on the P Zero Yellow medium tyre before going onto the soft for a qualifying simulation.


    The P Zero White hard is currently around 0.8 seconds per lap slower than the P Zero Yellow medium here, while the P Zero Red soft tyre is about 0.4 seconds per lap faster than the medium. The gap between the medium and hard is slightly less than expected, whereas the gap from soft to medium is as anticipated.


    Mario Isola: "It was a reasonably straightforward pair of free practice sessions in Portugal with no big surprises, apart from a bit more wind in the afternoon that affected the times slightly, making the track slower. The tyre performance exceeded expectations, with just a little bit of graining on the front left of the softer compounds in the morning on a 'green' track. This improved in the warmer conditions of the afternoon. The track surface is still smooth making it sometimes challenging for the drivers to find the right level of grip. With a big pit stop time penalty, it should be a one-stop race on Sunday for the majority of drivers and we can already see that all three compounds could play an important role in this - which is why all the compounds were run extensively throughout the day".

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    Alonso carried his Renault to third place in Singapore. After Vettel and Rosberg wrecked their own races, he seized a podium from a car that did not deserve it.

    That is the difference between the great and the merely good.

    Martin Brundle (Sing '09)

    "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easyto love, but very easy to admire".

    Martin Brundle (Sing '10)

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    Según el fabricante Pirelli, la diferencia entre el "medio" y el "blando" es la esperada, mientras que la diferencia entre el "duro" y el "medio" es un poco menor de la esperada.
    Alonso carried his Renault to third place in Singapore. After Vettel and Rosberg wrecked their own races, he seized a podium from a car that did not deserve it.

    That is the difference between the great and the merely good.

    Martin Brundle (Sing '09)

    "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easyto love, but very easy to admire".

    Martin Brundle (Sing '10)

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    Alonso carried his Renault to third place in Singapore. After Vettel and Rosberg wrecked their own races, he seized a podium from a car that did not deserve it.

    That is the difference between the great and the merely good.

    Martin Brundle (Sing '09)

    "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easyto love, but very easy to admire".

    Martin Brundle (Sing '10)

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    Durante la sesión FP2, en el chat, surgió la duda sobre el número de escapes diferentes a poder utilizar por cada piloto por temporada sin penalizar, según el Reg. Deportivo son 8:


    23.3 a) Unless he drives for more than one Competitor (see 23.3(c) below), and subject to the additions described below, each driver may use no more than 3 engines (ICE), 3 motor generator units-heat (MGU-H), 3 turbochargers (TC), 2 energy stores (ES), 2 control electronics (CE), 3 motor generator units-kinetic (MGU-K) and 8 sets of Engine exhaust systems during a Championship.

    With the consent of (and at the sole discretion of) the FIA, the numbers above will be increased by one for any driver using a power unit provided by a new power unit manufacturer (as defined in Appendix 9) taking part in their first Championship.

    Should the number of races in the 2021 Championship drop to 19 or less, the permitted number of motor generator units-kinetic (MGU-K) will be reduced to 2.



    Las penalizaciones por infringir dicha norma son las siguientes:

    23.3 b) Should a driver use more than the numbers set in a) above of any one of the elements during a Championship, a grid place penalty will be imposed upon him at the first Event during which each additional element is used. Penalties will be applied according to the following table and will be cumulative:

    The first time an additional element is used: Ten (10) grid place penalty.

    The next times an additional element of the same type is used: Five (5) grid place penalty.

    If a driver incurs a penalty exceeding fifteen (15) grid places he will be required to start the race from the back of the starting grid.

    Any of the seven elements will be deemed to have been used once the car’s timing transponder has shown that it has left the pit lane.

    During any single Event, if a driver introduces more than one of the same power unit element which is subject to penalties, only the last element fitted may be used at subsequent Events without further penalty.
    Alonso carried his Renault to third place in Singapore. After Vettel and Rosberg wrecked their own races, he seized a podium from a car that did not deserve it.

    That is the difference between the great and the merely good.

    Martin Brundle (Sing '09)

    "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easyto love, but very easy to admire".

    Martin Brundle (Sing '10)

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    Comparativa entre Verstappen y Hamilton en la FP2.






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    G.Anderson, explica las novedades en el fondo plano y el difusor de la RB16B:

    https://the-race.com/formula-1/red-b...nts-explained/
    Alonso carried his Renault to third place in Singapore. After Vettel and Rosberg wrecked their own races, he seized a podium from a car that did not deserve it.

    That is the difference between the great and the merely good.

    Martin Brundle (Sing '09)

    "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easyto love, but very easy to admire".

    Martin Brundle (Sing '10)

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    Vueltas eliminadas en los libres 1 por superar los límites de la pista en las curvas 1 y 4.







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    Y las eliminadas en los libres 2 por el mismo motivo.







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    Lo de los límites de la pista empieza a ser hasta cómico. Aquí ya llevan tres versiones. ¿Tan difícil es decir que si te pasas de la línea blanca vas por fuera sea la curva que sea y sea el circuito que sea?










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    Peke_Formula1 @Peke_Formula1 · 1min

    Most of Alpine's pace looks to be coming down the main straight vs McLaren, which I suspect (given past performance) will not be the case come qualifying when the Mercedes PU gets turned up.

    Below is RIC (red) vs ALO (black).

    #F1 #PortugueseGP




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    Ritmo de carrera según las simulaciones de los libres 2.






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    Condiciones para los libres 3. Hay bastante viento.







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    Algunas conclusiones de la Jornada de Prácticas del Viernes:

    5 things we learned from Friday practice for the Portuguese Grand Prix

    Mercedes found themselves at the top of the pile in both Friday practice sessions at Portimao, but that isn’t the true picture, so say our data crunchers. Here are five things we learned after the first day of running in Portugal...

    1. The RB16B looks a little tricky – but has raw pace

    This wasn’t the smoothest of days for Red Bull, with Max Verstappen encountering vibrations in first practice and then a brake-by-wire issue in FP2. The championship contender looked pretty handy in the first sector and reasonably strong in the second but then things got away from him in the final sector, which is where he lost time on both his attempts on a low fuel run on soft tyres in second practice.

    Having said all that, he was still only 0.143s slower than the Mercedes pace – and when Red Bull’s ultimate qualifying simulation pace was corrected for various things, such as fuel load and tyre age, our data shows Red Bull have the quickest car over one lap, albeit by just 0.05s.

    That tallies with the pattern that has emerged in the opening two races of the season, with the RB16B – which featured an upgraded floor in Portugal – being the quickest car in qualifying spec. But it also highlights that Red Bull’s challenge this season is making the most of that package and translating that raw speed into a reward.

    “The car felt alright but still some work to do for tomorrow, that’s for sure,” said Verstappen. “But overall, yeah, it’s fine.”




    The Dutchman, who is just one point behind Lewis Hamilton in the championship fight, bemoaned the tricky Portimao surface that made it tricky for everyone to get comfortable with their cars.“It’s very tricky out there – and it’s a shame,” he said. “Because it’s all about tyre prep, tyre temperature, and it shouldn’t be like that, but it’s the same for everyone.” He added: “It seems like [we are close to Mercedes] but we still have work to do.”

    His team mate Sergio Perez had a similar read of the car’s performance, but reckons if they can find solutions overnight, Red Bull are very much in the hunt for pole on Saturday. “We have pretty good pace, so definitely we should in the mix to fight for pole,” he said.

    Their race pace is looking even more impressive, the four-time world champions extending their advantage to 0.25s over chief rivals Mercedes in this metric. But can they get in a position to take advantage of that on Sunday, by mastering the slippery conditions in qualifying.






    2. Damage hindered both Mercedes cars on Friday

    It’s unusual not to see Mercedes top one if not both of our qualifying and race simulation charts, but it’s clear they have a real fight on their hands this year from the Honda-powered Red Bull team, who have made steps in both the chassis and engine departments.Mercedes’ trackside chief Andrew Shovlin said Valtteri Bottas seemed “quite comfortable” with the W12 from the start of the day, which enabled him to “get into some useful set-up investigations” but it wasn’t such a smooth day for Hamilton. “Lewis struggled more with the rear end, and while he topped the timesheets, we've got some work to do to improve the balance for him tomorrow,” added Shovlin.

    He also revealed that the team found some damage on both cars at the end of the day which “will have been costing some performance and will certainly explain some of Lewis’ issues on the long run. But even with that corrected, we could do with finding a bit more pace”.


    Their data tallies with ours, in that the single lap looks very close between them and Red Bull, but their numbers also suggest that Ferrari were, in Shovlin’s words, “consistently around our pace”. On the long runs, Shovlin believes they “all seem to overlay pretty closely, so hopefully that's a sign we'll be in for an exciting race on Sunday”.Hamilton admitted his quick lap in FP2 “wasn’t perfect”, with our ideal lap data – created by adding a driver’s best mini sectors together – suggesting he left a staggering 0.835s on the table, a couple of tenths less than his team mate Valtteri Bottas. When corrected, our ideal lap table puts the two Mercedes on top of the pile, with Bottas leapfrogging Verstappen.

    Getting the best out of the car on this tricky surface, which caused problems last year following resurfacing, looks likely to define who will come out on top in round three of this year’s title fight.

    “The track has improved from last year, slightly more grip and definitely a step in the right direction,” said Bottas. “Tomorrow it is going to be important to get the heat in the tyres in the right way – it's going to make a big difference. It will be close between us and Red Bull and could swing either way. Whoever finds more lap time overnight gets pole.”



    3. Ferrari head the midfield pack

    McLaren may sit P3 in the constructors’ championship, but it appears that chief rivals Ferrari have the upper hand around Portimao.The Italian team, who brought a new floor to the last round in Imola, brought another updated floor to Portugal to run in Friday practice before taking it off the car for the rest of the weekend.

    The numbers reflect very favourably in both short and long run metrics, with the Scuderia 0.33s off the pace in qualifying sims in P3 – and they retain that ranking in the race sims, albeit dropped back to 0.59s off the pace.“The short runs were positive today, the long runs looked quite good too, though a bit less on my side, so I need to work a little bit on that,” said Charles Leclerc. “I think this is the main weakness for me today, but it looked good on the other car with Carlos [Sainz] so I just need to fix it a little bit and it should be better tomorrow.”

    Sainz led the race briefly last year for McLaren and seems to excel in low-grip conditions. It’s perhaps why he was a very impressive fourth in the classification in FP2 – but he was wary of getting too far ahead of himself.“I do like low grip conditions,” said Sainz. “It’s always something that I guess is in my nature and I do like the hassle of having to find grip in places where there is not. But at the same time, we saw in Imola that on Friday we tend to be a bit stronger than maybe on Saturday, Sunday. Is that because of fuel, or engine, I’m not sure, then we see other teams taking bigger steps on Saturday – so I’m going to keep it on the cautious side and see how it goes tomorrow.”

    4. Alpine react well to the tricky conditions

    Neither Fernando Alonso nor Esteban Ocon were in the mood to get carried away on Friday, when we spoke after their very impressive showing in practice.The Alpine squad entered the season hoping to challenge for P3, but instead found themselves towards the back of the midfield. Finishing fifth and sixth in practice is nonetheless an improvement, even if it is only Friday.

    “We were happy with the car today,” said Alonso. “Obviously it’s only Friday as you said, but we were comfortable from Lap 1, and we didn’t touch the set-up much because everything felt reasonably okay. Then we tried to put some laps just for me to get used to the track, and to know a little bit more about the tyres.“The positions will not be too different compared to Imola or Bahrain – I don’t think there are any big changes in the order, it’s just a different Friday, a different approaching maybe comparing teams but let’s see, fingers crossed that we can keep the pace tomorrow.”

    Ocon added: “I think it will be close tomorrow. It will be a tough battle with everybody, looking at how close the times are. I think this track is still a challenge for everybody. The grip has improved compared to last year, but it’s still quite tricky out there, it’s moving quite a lot, so it will be a fight. It was good enough for today, but tomorrow it will be tight.”Our data suggests getting both cars into the top 10 in qualifying is a real possibility, as they are fourth best in the low-fuel short run pecking order, 0.54s off the pace and around a tenth clear of AlphaTauri.They drop behind McLaren in the race simulations, but only by 0.06s per lap, meaning it could be very close for those bottom four points-paying positions on Sunday.


    5. McLaren pace a bit of an unknown

    Despite briefly leading the race in Portugal last year, this wasn’t one of McLaren’s strongest tracks – and so there was some trepidation that this could be a tricky round for them.

    Lando Norris – who has finished in the top four in both the opening races – said he wasn’t optimistic he will be able to make it into the top 10 this weekend, but Daniel Ricciardo felt differently and reckons it’s wide open behind Mercedes and Ferrari.

    On the raw data front, they may well have a fight on their hands to make it into Q3 with both cars, McLaren ending up sixth in the pecking order, just 0.03s quicker than Aston Martin and 0.13s ahead of Williams, who looked top-10 fast in Portugal until the wind picked up for FP2 and they went backwards.


    But McLaren’s race fortunes look more promising, with simulations suggesting they have the fourth best package in this metric, 0.75s/lap slower than Red Bull, but only 0.16s adrift of Ferrari in third.So even if qualifying is tricky, all is not lost for McLaren, especially given this is a circuit in which overtaking is certainly possible.

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.5-things-we-learned-from-friday-practice-for-the-portuguese-grand-prix.46bo4BrsWnOIE69ylaWXYO.html
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    Alonso carried his Renault to third place in Singapore. After Vettel and Rosberg wrecked their own races, he seized a podium from a car that did not deserve it.

    That is the difference between the great and the merely good.

    Martin Brundle (Sing '09)

    "Alonso has been brilliant all weekend, absolutely brilliant". "A driver not always easyto love, but very easy to admire".

    Martin Brundle (Sing '10)

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    Siguen anulando vueltas. Alonso se había puesto tercero pero anularon su tiempo.



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    Charletes quejándose del tráfico.




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    FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN GRANDE PRÉMIO DE PORTUGAL 2021 - Autódromo Internacional do Algarve -Portimão
    Resultados FP3
    Sábado, 1 de mayo de 2021



    El más rápido ha sido esta vez Max VERSTAPPEN, que la logrado quedar por delante de los Mercedes de HAMILTON y de BOTTAS.

    El aumento del viento en la zona del tercer sector, les ha complicado la conducción, viéndose varios errores y siendo muy complicado mejorar los tiempos.

    Tiempos muy apretados con OCON finalizando 5º, por detrás de Checo PÉREZ y por delante de LECLERC y Carlos SAINZ.

    Fernando ALONSO ha terminado 14º, aunque su mejor tiempo fue eliminado por superar los límites en la curva 1.




















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    Previsión para la calificación según los tiempos de los libres 3. Máxima igualdad entre Verstappen y Hamilton.




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    Comparativa de la mejor vuelta de Verstappen y Hamilton en los libres 3.





    https://twitter.com/Peke_Formula1/st...74374517297152

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    Los números de la F.P. 3:

    Buscando la imperfección perfecta...

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    Problemas en el coche de Bottas. Han tenido que desmontar la caja de cambios al parecer por culpa de un sensor. Los mecánicos están trabajando rápido para tener el coche listo para la calificación.



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    No se espera que llueva.



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    Vueltas anuladas en los libres 3 por superar los límites de las curvas 1 y 4.






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    Eliminan la primera vuelta de Q1 de Hamilton por exceder los límites.



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    Checo de excursión.






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    La pista ha mejorado mucho al final de la Q1, lo que ha dado susto para alguno y sorpresa para otros.

    El más rápido ha sido Bottas seguido de Norris, que ha visto cómo su compañero se ha quedado fuera.

    Hamilton ha finalizado 3º y Verstappen 11º.

    Carlos ha pasado el corte en 5ª posición logrando guardar un juego de blandos.

    Alonso también pasa el corte al terminar 13º.

    La sorpresa, además de ver a Ricciardo fuera, es ver caer a Stroll mientras que Vettel ha pasado el corte en 8ª posición.


    Los eliminados en Q1 son:


    16 Ricciardo
    17 Stroll
    18 Latifi
    19 Schumacher
    20 Mazepin



    Tiempos completos de la Q1.




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